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Pentonville 12:29 Thu Mar 16
John Lyall Sacking/ Paul Ince Leaving

Infamous Ambrose Mendy gives a good interview on a YouTube channel called Dodge Woodhall. 46mins in approx, he talks about representing Ince and their version of events with the move to Man Utd.
Didn't know he brought Bishop and Morley to us.

I won't spoil what he says about Ince transfer but it does put a perspective on it that I wasn't aware of.

He has many West Ham tit bits throughout this interview and also Dodge himself is a West Ham fan AND a proper good bloke. He did an interview with Carlton Leech a few weeks ago too.

hammer205 12:51 Thu Mar 16
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If I think the version of events are the same then I believe the club were happy to let us believe Ince forced the transfer without their knowledge….

Rusta 12:53 Thu Mar 16
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Does he mention Ince standing in the centre circle refusing to play?

Whether the infamous picture was his fault or not Ince acted like a proper cnut and deserved all the stick he got

bruuuno 12:58 Thu Mar 16
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Ince is an inflated head looking cunt

Pentonville 1:01 Thu Mar 16
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I knew about the photo being taken by a trusted photographer who stored it ready for use when the transfer went through but then found out another journo who he trusted took it from storage and used it without anyone's permission but what I didn't know is that his only reason for wanting to leave was cos he was disgusted at Lyall being sacked and I didn't know Lyall was like Cus D'amato to Mike Tyson, to Paul Ince..he raised him like a son apparently and Ince would have stayed had Lyall remained. Interesting story anyway.

Northern Sold 1:52 Thu Mar 16
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My MATE was in the same youth team as Ince... also Steve Potts... said a couple of times over chadwell heath the old bill turned up to arrest Ince... him and his little mob had a reputation for breaking and entering around Ilford... a lot of his lot ended up inside or in borstal whilst Lyall made a deal with the Old Bill that the club would look after Ince... so yeah I can imagine that he was upset when Lyall was sacked... but it wasnt just him that stuck by him... the Stoke game sticks more in my throat than the leaked photo...

jimmy iron 2:51 Thu Mar 16
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Have listened to the Dodge/Mendy interview and it’s a really interesting one. Always thought I disliked Mendy , mainly due to the association with Ince but I quite liked how he came across,

GoalLazio 3:25 Thu Mar 16
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Ince - absolute judas cunt however you look at it. Horrible individual.

southbankbornnbred 10:38 Thu Mar 16
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I was at the Stoke game and Ince simply did not “refuse to play” as some have claimed.

It just didn’t happen and is another of the myths of that era. He threw a short tantrum, no question, like many players who want to win do.

But he didn’t stop playing as the story became. It’s mythical bullshit that took hold among a small group of fans, got repeated by many who weren’t there, and then took root.

Posing in another team’s shirt when you’re still a West Ham player, however: that DID happen and he should have known better - even as a youngster. He was a streetwise kid and should have known. And it was done on Mendy’s advice (holiday story, injury delay blah blah).

zico 10:49 Thu Mar 16
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I read that Lyall had offered him a new contract and when he returned McCari said it was too much money for someone his age so retracted it. Whatever he was naive with the shirt and took to long to half apologise only years later. He might have stayed for a bit if Lyall had but Ferguson was after him well before that apparently. West Ham in the Championship or Man United? Pretty sure he would have gone anyway.

Pentonville 11:39 Thu Mar 16
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southbankbornnbred 10:38 Thu Mar 16
That was my memory of this stoke thing that it was a myth too, exagerrated at best sl always flummoxed me when people state they witnessed it cos if it didn't happen, how did they. Its gone down as one of those moments people pretend they saw to confirm their proper westhamness lol.

As for posing in the shirt, the deal was done and the shirt photo was taken and supposed to be stored ready to unveil on launch. The journo that used it was sued. Fact is he was more loyal to Lyall than West Ham was and to hear the episode bothers him even to this day saddens me.

madeeasy 11:40 Thu Mar 16
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My kid at the age of 8 would have known what I would have said if I came home and he was wearing a spurs, man u etc shirt..

So no excuses that he had it taken for whatever or whenever. He was a West Ham player and knew what it would have done if got out, simple as that. he made his bed so lie in it. Judas.

Loved that his son was in the Blackpool team when we won the play off final as well. Just a little extra salt in their wounds.

However I did love his scissor kick goal in the 4 goal drubbing against liverpool. Nearly as good as Gale's free kick

Pentonville 11:40 Thu Mar 16
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And the hypocrisy that Rice is allowed to say he wants to leave and is still lauded fucks me off.

southbankbornnbred 11:50 Thu Mar 16
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Pentonville at 11.39: totally agree, mate. The mythology surrounding the Ince/West Ham thing is classic football of the era. Some of it is true, but often exaggerated, and some if it is simply false and repeated like it is fact.

I know Paul a bit and, unpopular though it is on here, I’ll defend him. Went to the same school (I was a few years younger).

He gave me an interview about it all years later, while at Liverpool, on the basis that we sort of knew each other. I still say he shouldn’t have posed in the Man Utd shirt: his instincts should have told him it was wrong, even if he thought the deal would go through and was advised to. He was still 100% a West Ham player at the time.

These days, he’d admit it was a mistake.

But the Stoke thing is mostly bullshit.

Ron Eff 12:15 Thu Mar 16
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Pentonville 11:40 Thu Mar 16

The hypocrisy is actually defending the actions of Ince while castigating the only player who has performed for us this season and who categorically hasn’t said what you claim. He simply said he has ambitions to play in the Champions League. He’d be a right wanker if he didn’t have those aspirations with his ability.

Northern Sold 12:49 Thu Mar 16
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sbbb

He obviously never robbed your gaff then... or maybe your Nan's as it seems like that's who they targeted... you might not be looking at him in such stardust laden eyes then... bloke was a fucking scrote...





So Ince grew up a virtual orphan, stalking streets full of trouble.

He spat at society and took vengeance on those who tried to help.

Most forecast only a life of crime and inevitably, prison.

"I hardly ever went to school. I used to stay in bed all day. Most of the time, I had no need to play truant because the teachers did not want me and I was usually suspended."

At school, he met his future wife Clare, initially one of the `posh kids' he despised and used to bully into handing over money and other possessions.

His wild behaviour continued even after he was signed by West Ham, who received regular reports from school and police about the trouble he was in.

His friends were drug pushers and thugs. Many ended up in jail.

THEN former West Ham manager John Lyall took Ince under his wing. Lyall's iron discipline paid off.

At 17, Ince finally turned his back on the streets and concentrated on his football. He still sees Lyall as a father figure.

He adds: "John Lyall rescued me from a life on the dole - or prison.

"I was a tearaway when I left school in London's East End, always in trouble and too arrogant to think authority would ever touch me. As a youngster at West Ham I was frightened of no one.

"Then, one night, I got into a terrible fight at a party. I went to help a mate and someone was very badly hurt.

"I tried to keep it all quiet, but one morning during training I was told to report immediately to the manager.

"That was the longest walk of my life, and when I saw two policemen in Mr Lyall's office I knew the game was up. The boss had been very supportive until then. He knew I had problems at home, with my Mum going to live in Germany leaving me to stay with relatives.

"But this time he slaughtered me. He went mad. He told me he didn't have time to deal with pipsqueaks like me, and I had that cold feeling that I was going to be thrown out of the club.

"Worse, the police were telling me what could happen if the case went to court.

"In the end I was let off with a warning, and I have wondered since whether the manager and the police got together to put the wind up me. They certainly succeeded.

"My mate was found guilty and sentenced to many hours of community service.

"Whenever I am asked what I would be if I wasn't a footballer, I think back to that day."





He's obviously not mentioned the robberies... I mean... does not look quite as good doing over OAP's rather than a nice punch up... the Old Bill were regulars over our place with him.

southbankbornnbred 1:36 Thu Mar 16
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Interesting - although there's not a shred of evidence in that to substantiate your claim about him doing over people's "nans".

I'm quite certain that his 'gang' robbed people. They used to brag about it. But I highly doubt that Paul, for all of his trouble (and there was a LOT of it) purposefully targeted older women. Might have, might not have.

For a start, his group were not that prepared or organised enough to have a target group of victims. They were wrong 'uns, sure, but mostly street level thugs, rogues and chancers. Best way to describe them is they'd take what was in front of them. To that end, yes, it's possible they robbed older women.

Paul often wasn't with them, because he would be at football training. Most of then will tell you that he was a relatively peripheral figure - and I know that because I know some of them. They did indeed end up in prison. If Paul hadn't had football, he probably would have joined them.

It's a not unfamiliar story for a lot of working-class kids in east London, or elsewhere, who went on to be top sports people. Look at Anthony Joshua, Frank Bruno etc.

I'm not excusing the behaviour - quite the opposite. My mum thought Paul was an absolute wrong 'un from a young age, and used to tell him in no uncertain terms! But I always find it interesting with Ince because, through sheer chance, I watched some of it unfold. He and his mates sometimes used to hang out on the estate where I grew up and my sister knew his (eventual) wife.

southbankbornnbred 1:40 Thu Mar 16
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And Paul's gang would never have tried to rob us, for some obvious reasons.

One of them being we were three floors up and there were more of us than them!

Eastside surge 3:29 Thu Mar 16
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Was at the Stoke game myself and like some have already said don't remember him refusing to play, and the kamarra tackle on franky mac wasn't that bad either just a bad outcome unfortunately

GoalLazio 11:31 Thu Mar 16
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Why don’t you suck his cock southbank you boring cunt

jfk 11:33 Thu Mar 16
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Ince was never a burgular type,too talented from a young age.I know that for a fact.(grew up around the manor)
Sold is full of shit.

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